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	<title>Comments on: When ICE Melts Down: Who Hires These People?</title>
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		<title>By: SS</title>
		<link>http://xicanopwr.com/2008/02/when-ice-melts-down-who-hires-these-people/comment-page-1/#comment-3703</link>
		<dc:creator>SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 18:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comment left by &quot;yave begnet&quot; is ridiculous. This idiot needs to go back to school.  Probably has those views because he is illegally here in this country.  What a loser.</description>
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		<title>By: Just following orders&#8230; &#171; The Mex Files</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just following orders&#8230; &#171; The Mex Files</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 06:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 29, 2008 &#183; No Comments  XicanoPwr discovered, and commented on, the troubling story of an ICE agent in Grand Prairie Texas who committed suicide [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 29, 2008 &middot; No Comments  XicanoPwr discovered, and commented on, the troubling story of an ICE agent in Grand Prairie Texas who committed suicide [...]</p>
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		<title>By: yave begnet</title>
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		<dc:creator>yave begnet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 04:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does sound as though ICE should screen their employees better.  

My beef with ICE is structural: they have all the power of other law enforcement agencies, including the right to use deadly force, but very few of the checks on abuse that you would see with other branches of law enforcement.  It&#039;s more like the military in a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.citizenorange.com/orange/2008/02/occupation-dreamland-iraq-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;war setting&lt;/a&gt; than a domestic law enforcement setting, since the enforcers have all the power and privilege of the U.S. government, while the target population is definitionally disenfranchised and disempowered.  There is no &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/contact.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;civilian complaint review board&lt;/a&gt; for noncitizens abused by ICE to bring attention to misuse of power.  All the incentives are pointing towards abuse of a vulnerable population, and that is what we have seen. 

ICE agents, in my experience, also love a good show of force to intimidate the already-cowed.  For instance, I saw an ICE agent with a police dog at the Garden City immigration office a few weeks ago.  Why a dog had to be paraded around in front of all the nervous people waiting to be interviewed for their green cards was unclear to me.  It&#039;s not like they were tracking someone across the sands of Southern Arizona--this was Long Island.  Also, a client of mine who was wrongly detained by an ICE agent--clearly ignoring the relevant parts of the INA and lying to my face about a supposed nonexistent past criminal charge--told me that the ICE agent who &quot;brought him in&quot; not only had a sidearm in a holster, but a gun strapped to his ankle.  Two guns! (And doubtful either one ever has or ever will be fired.) 007 and John McClane, you&#039;ve met your match on the ninth floor of one of the most nondescript buildings of downtown Manhattan&#039;s federal bureaucracy.  

But ICE agents need the guns to instill an appropriate level of fear in the immigrants they are wrongfully detaining while they interrogate them outside the presence of counsel.  That&#039;s right, it&#039;s a little slice of Guantanamo at your local immigration office.  And you better not complain, or you&#039;ll be sure to be locked up.  

I heard ICE was in the house, so I took the time to air some  grievances.  Hope y&#039;all were taking notes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does sound as though ICE should screen their employees better.  </p>
<p>My beef with ICE is structural: they have all the power of other law enforcement agencies, including the right to use deadly force, but very few of the checks on abuse that you would see with other branches of law enforcement.  It&#8217;s more like the military in a <a href="http://www.citizenorange.com/orange/2008/02/occupation-dreamland-iraq-and.html" rel="nofollow">war setting</a> than a domestic law enforcement setting, since the enforcers have all the power and privilege of the U.S. government, while the target population is definitionally disenfranchised and disempowered.  There is no <a href="http://www.nyc.gov/html/ccrb/html/contact.html" rel="nofollow">civilian complaint review board</a> for noncitizens abused by ICE to bring attention to misuse of power.  All the incentives are pointing towards abuse of a vulnerable population, and that is what we have seen. </p>
<p>ICE agents, in my experience, also love a good show of force to intimidate the already-cowed.  For instance, I saw an ICE agent with a police dog at the Garden City immigration office a few weeks ago.  Why a dog had to be paraded around in front of all the nervous people waiting to be interviewed for their green cards was unclear to me.  It&#8217;s not like they were tracking someone across the sands of Southern Arizona&#8211;this was Long Island.  Also, a client of mine who was wrongly detained by an ICE agent&#8211;clearly ignoring the relevant parts of the INA and lying to my face about a supposed nonexistent past criminal charge&#8211;told me that the ICE agent who &#8220;brought him in&#8221; not only had a sidearm in a holster, but a gun strapped to his ankle.  Two guns! (And doubtful either one ever has or ever will be fired.) 007 and John McClane, you&#8217;ve met your match on the ninth floor of one of the most nondescript buildings of downtown Manhattan&#8217;s federal bureaucracy.  </p>
<p>But ICE agents need the guns to instill an appropriate level of fear in the immigrants they are wrongfully detaining while they interrogate them outside the presence of counsel.  That&#8217;s right, it&#8217;s a little slice of Guantanamo at your local immigration office.  And you better not complain, or you&#8217;ll be sure to be locked up.  </p>
<p>I heard ICE was in the house, so I took the time to air some  grievances.  Hope y&#8217;all were taking notes.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Grabman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Grabman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 00:14:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I was writing my book on Mexican history, I had some photos of the villains around -- Don Porfirio, Emperor Max, etc. -- but never thought of hiding them in a closet.  Of course the &quot;collector&quot; excuse is nonsense, but that&#039;s not what&#039;s really important here.  

I don&#039;t know why anyone is really shocked that ICE agents would tend to be closet Nazis.  While here on the border our local agents are generally local people, the kind of people attracted to jobs as bureaucrats with guns (and a mission to root out the &quot;alien&quot;)are going to be of the
 same mindset as Fritz, your friendly neighborhood Brownshirt ca. 1935.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was writing my book on Mexican history, I had some photos of the villains around &#8212; Don Porfirio, Emperor Max, etc. &#8212; but never thought of hiding them in a closet.  Of course the &#8220;collector&#8221; excuse is nonsense, but that&#8217;s not what&#8217;s really important here.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why anyone is really shocked that ICE agents would tend to be closet Nazis.  While here on the border our local agents are generally local people, the kind of people attracted to jobs as bureaucrats with guns (and a mission to root out the &#8220;alien&#8221;)are going to be of the<br />
 same mindset as Fritz, your friendly neighborhood Brownshirt ca. 1935.</p>
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		<title>By: fash</title>
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		<dc:creator>fash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, that excuse was BS. I used to have a neighbor who collected Nazi memorabilia, but he wasn&#039;t some sort of fetishist. He was extremely critical of the Nazis and believed that it was important not to forget them, history repeats itself, blahblah...and he had his stuff out in the open, so that people could comment on it and he could go off on one of his lectures. If you&#039;re hiding the nazi flag in the closet, then I doubt you&#039;re doing it because you&#039;re a historian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that excuse was BS. I used to have a neighbor who collected Nazi memorabilia, but he wasn&#8217;t some sort of fetishist. He was extremely critical of the Nazis and believed that it was important not to forget them, history repeats itself, blahblah&#8230;and he had his stuff out in the open, so that people could comment on it and he could go off on one of his lectures. If you&#8217;re hiding the nazi flag in the closet, then I doubt you&#8217;re doing it because you&#8217;re a historian.</p>
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		<title>By: XicanoPwr</title>
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		<dc:creator>XicanoPwr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That really was an odd statement to make. I believe giving a person the benefit of the doubt, but come on now ... that was just a bit of a stretch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That really was an odd statement to make. I believe giving a person the benefit of the doubt, but come on now &#8230; that was just a bit of a stretch.</p>
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		<title>By: luisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>luisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bet that detective Brimmer has a lot of &#039;memoriabilia.&#039; How many people of color and/or jews collect nazi books? ICE just keeps getting crazier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet that detective Brimmer has a lot of &#8216;memoriabilia.&#8217; How many people of color and/or jews collect nazi books? ICE just keeps getting crazier.</p>
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