Texas Seceding from the Union?

Date Put forth on March 13, 2009 by XicanoPwr
Category Posted in Immigration, Texas

At least that is what Chuck Norris is calling for. In a radio interview with Glenn Beck, Norris told Beck that if things get any worse from his point of view he “may run for president of Texas.”

GLENN: Somebody asked me this morning, they said, you really believe that there’s going to be trouble in the future. And I said, if this country starts to spiral out of control and, you know, and Mexico melts down or whatever, if it really starts to spiral out of control, before America allows a country to become a totalitarian country, which it would have under I think the Republicans as well in this situation; they were taking us to the same place, just slower.

NORRIS: It was slower, yeah.

GLENN: Americans will, they just, they won’t stand for it. There will be parts of the country that will rise up. And they said, where’s that going to come from? And I said Texas, it’s going to come from Texas. Do you agree with that, Chuck, or not?

NORRIS: Oh, yeah. You know, Texas is a republic, you know. We could actually —

GLENN: It was a country before it was a state.

NORRIS: Yeah, we could break off from the union if we wanted to.

GLENN: You do, you call me.

NORRIS: Oh, yeah.

GLENN: Seriously, you do. I don’t mind having that lone star on my flag. I really don’t mind it. I’ve been out with a seam ripper looking at my flag going, I don’t know, California could go. I’m just saying —

NORRIS: I may run for president of Texas. (Laughing).

Of course this was all in tongue-n-cheek. But was it?

This past Monday, Norris followed up his interview with an op-ed piece on the conservative news website WorldNetDaily.

Instead of being tongue-n-cheek about it, this time around he was serious with the idea of succession and becoming President for the Lone Star State if the state ever did. “That need may be a reality sooner than we think,” he writes. If not me, someone someday may again be running for president of the Lone Star state, if the state of the union continues to turn into the enemy of the state.

He continues; calling on a second American Revolution and concludes that there are “Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation.” More concerning, Norris feels we are on the eve of war. He closes with the words of Sam Houston.

“We view ourselves on the eve of battle. We are nerved for the contest, and must conquer or perish. It is vain to look for present aid: None is at hand. We must now act or abandon all hope! Rally to the standard, and be no longer the scoff of mercenary tongues! Be men, be free men, that your children may bless their father’s name.”

The thing is, it’s not just Chuck Norris who favors breaking away from the Union and this is not the first time Glen Beck flirted with the idea of succession. Last year, Glenn Beck suggested that states should “secede” from the union too.

Has secessionism become mainstream? It might have. A 2008 Zogby International poll revealed that 22% of Americans believe that “any state or region has the right to peaceably secede and become an independent republic.” Some 18% “would support a secessionist effort in my state.” It is obvious Chuck Norris is part of the 18 percent.

It used to be when people hear secessionist, a couple groups would come to mind. They are either are antigovernment survivalist, such as Timothy McVeigh or Ruby Ridge’s Randy Weaver; or the rhetoric from people like Lou Dobbs, Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkin, and many other conservative commentators who believe all Latinos’ lust to reclaim their former land.

However, if it were not for the recent Presidential election when people got wind that Republican Vice President’s Sarah Palin’s husband Todd Palin was a member Alaskan Independence Party, seceding to from the Union has suddenly entered the American consciousness.

Yet the difference is people like Chuck Norris and Todd Palin get a pass from same pundits who’ve denounced any Latino from ever mentioning Aztlan. And that is the danger, what was once considered wacky anti-American/government survivalist screed is now taken into serious consideration – legitimize.

While it is true the United States was born of secession, producing the most famous and influential secessionist document in history with our Declaration of Independence, as Chuck Norris argues. It is hard to argue that the very notion of democracy is so inextricably wedded to secession. However, even Abraham Lincoln provided limitation to how far each state can go. In his first inaugural address:

I hold that, in contemplation of universal law, and of the Constitution, the union of these States is perpetual….It follows….that no State, upon its own mere motion, can lawfully get out of the Union; that resolves and ordinances to that effect are legally void; and that acts of violence, within any State or States, against the authority of the United States, are insurrectionary or revolutionary, according to circumstances. I, therefore, consider that, in view of the Constitution and the laws, the Union is unbroken.

For all it’s faults the US has, and there are a lot, however, it is nowhere near the doom and gloom Chunk Norris and his über patriotic terrorist cells like us to believe.

(h/t to Nez at The Unapologetic Mexican for bring this to my attention)

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  1. Gravatar Icon txwordpounder Mar 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    You can find a much more realistic picture of Chuckie Boy here:

    Feel free to use it.

  2. Gravatar Icon Mexitli Mar 19th, 2009 at 2:30 am

    Norris is out for Norris. He does receive the old “nod” because he’s a populist right wing nut. But if he ever tries anything they’ll put him in a federal pen.

    Few Points I’d like to add:

    As you pointed out, Texas is the only state to enter the union as an independent country and it had 6 months to back out of the treaty. The U.S. did not ratify the first cession treaty, however(if I am recalling correctly). It’s been a long time since I was in college.

    Next, there are more that 27 secessionist movements in the U.S., only two are comprised of mostly Mexican descendants: listed, unofficially I might add, the Mexica-movement and the “Aztlan” movement, whatever that is. I say un-official because this is not a government list. Their numbers are small in comparison, however, to the type of groups you name. I do not believe the FBI lists them as threats to national security the way they do the white nationalists.

    lastly, ‘” Some 18% “would support a secessionist effort in my state.”’ This figure is quite high. I do not doubt it, though. The Revolutionary war had just 8-10 support when the first shots were fired. Of course that’s because the other 90-92% thought England would win. Gradually, more people supported the revolution. Food for thought?

    Lastly, lastly, My dad, who was born in Waco, TX (but raised a Regio Montano) always said he was from TEXAS… never the U.S. or Mexico. He was especially proud of his service in the Texas National Guard where he took part in the invasion of Okinawa, JP.

  3. Gravatar Icon RealVet Mar 24th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    This stupid actor who has never shown an iota of brain power needs to leave my Texas alone. There are a lot of idiots in Texas who think the same way he does, but very few have seen real combat, I assure you, it’s not as glamorous as Chuckie shows it in his movies. There is a lot of pain and a whole lot of civilian deaths in any uprising, the old, the children and the women are the first ones to suffer. Yes, he played one on TV, but he has no idea what reality is like, and I didn’t fight for America so that he could usurp it. I would fight a secession movement tooth and nail.

  4. Gravatar Icon Aztlan is real May 14th, 2009 at 1:58 am


    -CALIFAS- California
    -ARIZA- Arizona
    -NEVAZ- Nevada
    -UTAZ- Utah
    -NUEVO MEXICO- New Mexico
    -COLORAZTLAN- Colorado
    -TEJAS- Texas

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